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Von Cello 

Post No. 229
09/11/2006 07:23 PM
  
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9/11

I guess it would be a little oblivious of us to not discuss 9/11 at least a bit on this 5th anniversary. I recently got reaquainted with an old friend who is into this 9/11 truth movement. They believe that it was "an inside job", that our government either caused the buildings to fall and lied about who drove the planes, etc., or that they knew it was going to happen and let it happen.

Frankly, I find these theories hard to believe, but the one issue that does disturb me is about building 7. This building was not hit by a plane, yet it fell in the same way as the others. There is a belief that it housed certain "sensitive" government offices, and was demolished to hide the evidence. It's also weird how our government seemed to not want an investigation, and was never overly cooperative in various ways.

So, it seems reasonable to question the official story, even though I am far from jumping in bed with the conpiracy freaks. Does anyone have an opinion on this? Could it be that all of these memorials attended by government officials are a giant farce? Or are some of our citizens going off the deep end and spreading dangerous lies? Hmmm...
NealSF 

Post No. 228
09/11/2006 06:27 PM
  
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cracks me up, too
Von Cello 

Post No. 227
09/11/2006 03:36 PM
  
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Inside Jokes

That was the answer to the joke about the half a chicken. The joke was made up by Barry Lederman, a Junior High School friend of mine and Neal's!

After all these years, I still get a kick out of it. By the way, those dry humor quotes I posted were from Barry's newsletter. Believe it or not, he became an Orthodox rabbi, but he never lost his sense of humor.

One day I was sitting in a restaurant near Brooklyn College when all of a sudden I hear someone next to me talking as if we had been speaking for a while already. I turn around, and guess what, it's Barry! (I hadn't seen him for many years before that.)
eaburke81 

Post No. 226
09/11/2006 01:02 PM
  
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A Rebuttal......

Root beer skates? I thought it floats!
NealSF 

Post No. 225
09/11/2006 11:15 AM
  
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root beer skates on ice
canarsie1 

Post No. 224
09/10/2006 03:22 PM
  
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so will jeb run
Von Cello 

Post No. 223
09/10/2006 10:02 AM
  
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Lederman Jokes

If it took half a chicken half a day to lay half an egg...how long would it take a monkey with a wooden leg to kick the seeds out of a dill pickle?
eaburke81 

Post No. 222
09/09/2006 09:02 PM
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A little more levity.....

Why does underwear come out of the dryer inside out?
-from the Canadian sketch comedy show "Royal Canadian Air Farce"

So just how many licks DOES it take to get to the center of a tootsie roll-pop?
Von Cello 

Post No. 221
09/09/2006 10:23 AM
  
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Hail to the Chief

Actually, there are many rich folk who protect their kids from military service, but there are some notable exceptions. John Kerry is now a very rich man, but he served in Viet Nam and could have been killed during his swift boat runs. George Bush Sr. was a fighter pilot, and if I'm not mistaken, I believe he was shot down. And John McCain, is famous for being a POW in Viet Nam and refusing to agree to go home until all of his men were released. Now his son just joined the army. So here is a rich and powerful man who truly put his life on the line, and is allowing his son to do the same. Perhaps this is one of the reason's he deserves the presidency. He is uniquely qualified to ask the American people to sacrifice for the "War on Terror".
Von Cello 

Post No. 220
09/09/2006 09:59 AM
  
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Greed is the root of all evil.
canarsie1 

Post No. 219
09/09/2006 04:20 AM
  
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in ww2 pearl harbor was the 9 11
and many tried to avoid service altho the movies depict a diff view of everyvody runnin to join , even woman.......the rich will always be able to pay half the poor to kill the other half of the poor and so on.
Von Cello 

Post No. 218
09/08/2006 04:49 PM
  
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The Blame Game

Well, we know there are many people who will blame the Jews no matter what happens. They even blame them for 9/11. In fact, Hamas has in its charter that the Jews were behind all the world wars, so I guess that means they were even responsible for the Holocaust. Oh wait...I forgot...that never happened!

But if you think back to the 1940's, the U.S. can get awfully ornary when attacked. So if the "Islamo-fascists" decide to attack us in a way that makes 9/11 look like chlid's play, I think you'll find people begging to get in line to kick ass. Hey, it's the American way!
canarsie1 

Post No. 217
09/08/2006 02:00 PM
  
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maybe but i feel peoples ideilihu is thehoretical,,,they sat WE go to war but they really are thinkin the poor go or we bomb but not my kids nor me.. also antiisrael sentiment would grow if we had a DRAFT cause folks would start lookin for the scapegoat as to why we need to fight. Theyd conclude that israel started it all...
Von Cello 

Post No. 216
09/08/2006 11:52 AM
  
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Hell no, we won't go! Well...maybe.

If the U.S. had a draft the sh-t would hit the fan. The anti-war movement would grow. There would be marches and sit ins. It would start to feel a bit like the sixties. But then if the terrorists managed to set off a suit case nuke, or some biological weapon that killed a million people right here in the good old U.S.A., people would start to sing a different tune. This is not the sixties. You can't win the current war by fighting the last one.
Von Cello 

Post No. 215
09/08/2006 10:20 AM
  
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A Little Levity

....I planted some bird seed. A bird came up. Now I don't know what to feed it.
...I had amnesia once -- or twice.
...I went to San Francisco. I found someone's heart. Now what?
...What is a "free" gift? Aren't all gifts free?
...They told me I was gullible... and I believed them.
...Experience is the thing you have left when everything else is gone.
...One nice thing about egotists: they don't talk about other people.
...I used to be indecisive. Now I'm not sure.
...The cost of living hasn't affected its popularity.
...How can there be self-help "groups"?
...Is it my imagination, or do buffalo wings taste like chicken
canarsie1 

Post No. 214
09/08/2006 04:11 AM
  
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Amen!! but still there are not against the wat but against the way it is waged.Most americans will nerver tryly feel attacked until they must actually go and fight or their kids are drafted. i mean,ny was bombed and all americans felt attacked under fire and a lets get them attitude swelled up. It was different from fanatics killing in europe or isral.. THIS WAS RIGHT IN OUR OWN BACKYARD However still most americans are pissed and want to attack but then after they watch judge judy or leno ,they hit the mall and disconnect as if the attack had bever occurred. imagine if they had to fo fight there now or send their kids.. There still exisys a really big . Lets go there and get them . which might not manifest itself if we all had to go there instead of those who are there( national guard made of blacks hispanics and others who joined not to fight but to serve locally. if tomorrow g B said D R A F T i think many would rethink it all and anti war ideas would grow..
Von Cello 

Post No. 213
09/07/2006 08:12 PM
  
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Give Me An F

Wow! So you wondered about the militancy at Woodstock? Are you referring to the anti society stuff that came up now and again...like the Fish Cheer.

Back then, the U.S. was fighting a war that seemed unwinable, and questionable to many people. What made it worse is that there was a draft, so kids were forced to join the army and 50,000 got killed in Viet Nam. At the same time the baby boomers realized that they were the largest group in the population, so they started a movement to push their weight around against the W.W. II generation. They wanted to end the war and create a world of peace.

At the time, I was in support of the anti war movement. But what we have today is a much different picture. The Viet Cong never said they wanted to destroy Western culture. They had no laws that banned music and forced women to be covered from head to toe. They were basically in a civil war that had little effect on Americans.

Also, the "anti war" movement over time got infiltrated by anti U.S. forces. The hippies were against the war and against the government of Nixon, but they were still very pro American. That's why you had groups named Jefferson Airplane, and songs quoting patriotic slogans like "don't tred on me". Hippies wore flag patterns on their clothes, partly to be disrespectful, but also to say "Hey, we love America too, but just want peace". Today's anti-war movement often delves into anti-Americanisms. There was also no anti-Israeli componant to the sixties. In fact, that is when Israel won the Six Day War, and it seemed the whole country was impressed and proud of the way little Israel stood up to the forces of dictatorship. This was something the right and left could agree on. But today's anti-war movement has a virulent strain of anti-Israelism, even anti-Semitism...probably to some extent because a lot of Muslims came into the anti-war movement. Also, because there are Americans that hate the U.S. so much that they feel compelled to side against U.S. allies.

Today, nothing is as black and white as it used to be. Those who support war are often those who truly want peace, and those who march for peace are often those who want to weaken the U.S. and allow the forces of religious imperialism to flourish.

Dylan sang, "The times they are a changin'". Well, they were changing in one way in the sixties, and they are changing in a much different way today. At least that's how I see it. We don't have a sixties vibe going on today because it is very unclear as to what is the right way to proceed. The naive anti war songs of the sixties sound hollow in the current environment. That's why I wrote, "We are the saviors, we make the rules. We are the heroes. We are the fools."
Maybe not as inspiring as "Where have all the flowers gone?", but perhaps more realistic.
eaburke81 

Post No. 212
09/07/2006 06:10 PM
  
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Make music, not war!

Good one, Aaron. Blue Meanies...ha! What a great metaphor for all of those conservative forces trying to shut down the youth.
Also - instruments as weapons...what a great concept....the Beatles, (and the Celts) were geniuses. The miltiant fell of the fans at Woodstock finally makes sense to me!
Von Cello 

Post No. 211
09/07/2006 05:31 PM
  
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Instruments of War

I liked that idea of an accordian army. It's not as far fetched as it sounds. Did you know that bag pipes were originally instruments of war? Yes, before they were used to play at funerals of policemen and Irish weddings, they were used to scare people (actually they still do!). Battalions of bag pipers would advance against the enemy back several hundred years ago. Tribes that did not know about bag pipes were probably scared to death when they heard the incredibly loud (for their time) roar of hundrends of bag pipes.

More recently the U.S. government has used blaring rock music to confuse the enemy. If I'm not mistaken, they used it to get Norieger to surrender a decade or two ago. So, maybe the Muslims are right to seek to destroy all instruments. Instruments have a long and noble history as weapons of the West. Just think about how much damage to Nixon, Hendrix did with his guitar!

It's amazing that there are forces out there that seek to destroy music. The Beatles had that as the goal of the "Blue Meanies" in their movie "Yellow Submarine". Who then would have imagined that the Blue Meanies would morph into real people!
eaburke81 

Post No. 210
09/07/2006 07:50 AM
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I agree with you, and I hear what your saying, Aaron....guess that's all I have to say. As we say up here in Vermont, I smell what your stepping in.
Von Cello 

Post No. 209
09/06/2006 11:46 AM
  
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The Name

The only ones who call God Yaweh are Christians. Jews call Him Jehovah, which is what He called Himself in the Torah. But Jews are not supposed to pronounce the name so they either call Him Adonay, which means "The Lord", or they call Him Hashem, which literally means "The Name".

Yes, the church in the middle ages was against instrumental music, believing that the human voice was created by God, and was therefore superior to instruments, made by man. However, they became great supporters of instrumental music as the composers became greater. Finally, the Christians wrote some of the most beautiful music ever created, when you talk about folks like Bach.

As a Jew, I am proud that the Christians got the tradition of making music for God from the Jews. The Levites, who were the priests, had to play music for the services. And, as I said before, King David became known as a great harpist. But once the Temple was destroyed, the rabbis instituted a law that there be no instruments at religious services to mourn for the loss of the Temple. The idea being that the music will flow again when the Temple is rebuilt. (Of course, the Muslims built a mosque over the site of the Temple, and flip out when Jews even go up there...but that's a whole other story.) But the rabbis allowed music at weddings...the wilder the better! So the musical tradition was kept for weddings, which is why to this day Jews tend to have elaborate weddings with bands and sometimes string quartets, harps, etc.

There are liberal Muslims who allow music. But the Taliban types banned all music except male vocal religious chants. This is what they would like to enforce against all of us "Infidels". Patrick Henry said, "Give me liberty or give me death". Today you'd have to update that to "Give us music or else!"

Maybe we need to send over battalions of rock accordian players instead of soldiers. After a few weeks of that I'm sure the Muslims would all come out of their hiding places with white flags!
eaburke81 

Post No. 208
09/06/2006 09:50 AM
  
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Re: Accordion Death Metal

Oh, and speaking of that "accordion Death metal", did you happen to notice on the guy's website that he "used to be a classical panist but then something else happened"?
eaburke81 

Post No. 207
09/06/2006 09:36 AM
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Now that's music to MY ears!

Yes, as a Catholic, and a former theater major, I am aware that the Church dissmissed much of the arts during the Middle Ages. I am reminided of a quote from the popular cult classic Dogma, directed by Kevin Smith

Cardinal: The Catholic Church does not make mistakes!
13th Apostle: Oh Sh*T! what about it's consent of the slave trade?
Bethany: And it's policy of non-involvment during the Holocaust?

(I could add some more recent events such as gay and lesbian rights, abortion, stem-cell research, and pedophile preists).

Anyway, I guess there's always drama or ultra-conservatism associated with whatever beleif system you belong to.

But getting back to the point, the Times article has opened my eyes, and i hope it has enlightend us all by rminding us that we here in the "Free World" are not safe....there are people out there who run their governments differently then us. The best we can do is to not take our rights, freedoms and culture for granted...we have been given so many gifts from the Christian God, the Jewish god (Yahweh I belive, is that correct?), the Islamic god (Allah), or whomever or whatever you belive in.
I cannot remember the passage off hand, but in the Bible it says "He who sings prays twice". As a singer, (and a novice musician), God is a large part of my inspiration....there are so many hymns specific to Catholiscism that I love to sing, and my experience at mass singing those hymns has been heightend through the work of our chior director/guitarist playing/arranging those hymns in a jazz/gospel/rock/blues idiom.....upon hearing that kind of sound, I think the Taliban would pour molten lead into their own ears!!! (oh wait, that's if they heard the bagpipes).
Von Cello 

Post No. 206
09/05/2006 10:58 PM
  
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Accordian Death Metal

Edward, thanks for sending me this link: http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/duckmandu/

God! Could you imagine what the Taliban would do to this guy if they could catch him?!!!
Von Cello 

Post No. 205
09/05/2006 09:07 PM
  
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Musical Wars

Well, it's not really wisdom, but being very well read on this subject. It is really beyond belief that a government would ban instrumental music! But as you know, Cat Stevens (aka Ibrahim Joseph) has also bought into this way of thinking. It is very widespread among certain groups of Muslims, and people of other faiths must be aware of this reality.

I don't really know why Bush went into Iraq. The only reason that really makes sense to me is that he wanted to create a military base between Syria and Iran. If that was his reasoning, it is brilliant. But, of course, he can't admit that. So he said it was to remove Saddam, find weapons of mass destruction, and bring democracy to the middle east...all of which are probably true to an extent, but are difficult to justify cosidering how things have gone. So the critics attack him for not finding WMD and for not bringing a stable democracy, while probably the powers that be in the Democratic party know the real reason Bush did it (military base) but also won't admit it. So, the whole political scenario is one big game of chicken, in which both sides attack each other over things that are not real, while they both know what is.

But leaving Iraq aside for now...we have to be aware that militant Islam is opposed to music. They see it as evil. I completely understand this because in certain very Orthodox Jewish sects there is a somewhat similar belief. The belief is that music affects your soul in a deep way that the mind can't even comprehend. Therefore, you should only listen to music composed by very holy people (i.e. religious sages who compose). This is far less restrictive than the Muslim idea however, because you can play the holy melodies on any instrument, and you can even put them to a modern beat. But I remember when I was flirting with becoming Orthodox, and I actually considered quiting playing classical and rock gigs for fear that my soul could be polluted by unholy music.

Yet there was a day when I went to the study of this Orthodox rabbi who was my main "mentor", and he had a classical radio station on. I said, "How come you're listening to the radio? They play all kinds of music from all kinds of composers." He just laughed and said, "Yeah I know ideally I shouldn't listen...but even I don't go THAT far".

But Muslim extremists go way beyond that extreme. It is totally against Judaism to ban instruments! Even more anathama to Judaism is the idea that you would beat people up because they listen to music! One thing George Bush says that is correct is that they do hate us because of our freedoms. People make fun of him for saying that, but the musical situation shows how true that is. They hate the fact that we listen to the Grateful Dead...with their instruments, and their lyrics about sex, drugs and rock n' roll. They hate Reggae with its talk about rebellion and pot smoke. They hate Zappa with his satire and pushing of taboos They hate classical music with its instrumental pieces that don't even include the human voice! (By the way, the church held a similar position at the start of the Middle Ages...also known as the Dark Ages!) We must realize that they seek to create a world where all of these things are banned and people are beaten for listening! And they are indeed trying to obtain weapons of mass destruction, and they will indeed use them to try to destroy our culture and literally force us into the stone age to enforce their restrictions on the whole world. They truly believe this to be the will of God (Allah), and they have shown themselves willing to die, and kill others, to obey His will.

Whatever one thinks about the middle east, if they deny this, they are not grounded in reality. First one must understand the reality of any situation. Then one can formulate plans.

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