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Post No. 1907
05/14/2008 08:38 AM
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Over Hill, over dale...

It is interesting how the different songs and melodies of the armed forces reflect the spirit of each group.

The army sings, "Over hill, over dale, we will hit the dusty trail..." And indeed, that is what the army does. They hike, they hit the trail. And the melody goes up and down like a mountain trail.

The Marines have a proud anthem, "From the halls of Montezuma, to the shores of Tripoli, we will fight our country's battles on the land and on the sea."

The Navy has a song that sounds like an old sea chanty, "Anchor away my boys, anchors away!" The music has that big ship on the waves feel.

The air force goes skyward with, "Off we go into the wide blue yonder. Flying high into the sky." The melody also goes climbing up note by note into the sky.

Most Americans know these songs. But how many people have ever stopped and thought about who wrote them? Did they have a contest? Did they hire a tin pan alley composer, or were they written by men in the force? Who decided that this song would be it? Did they try them out with soldiers, or was it a general who decided? Or was it the commander of the band? Interesting topic, isn't it?
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Post No. 1906
05/13/2008 09:28 AM
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Red, White and Blue

Yesterday I played cello in a concert band. I was a "ringer" playing with a high school band with around 60 wind players, 5 percussionists, and cello! I played the bassoon part. It was interesting as I rarely deal with concert band repertoire. They did the typical marches and modern classical type pieces with odd meters and various tone colors. But for the finale they did a medley of American patriotic tunes including the Star Spangled Banner, Over There, Three Cheers for the Red, White and Blue (I forget the actual name of that one), and others. We were joined by a chorus which sang some of the tunes and did a pledge of allegience during a part where we played in hushed tones behind them. Toward the end the school ROTC program supplied some young potential soldiers in full dress, rifles included, to do a little flag waving.

Though many people might shy away from such an overt show of patriotism, it was actually quite moving and stirring. To me you can support your country even if you disagree with many things being done by the government. And in that spirit, I was doing the do for the red, white and blue!

Post No. 1905
05/13/2008 05:36 AM
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i never regret my returning to ny aftera failed aliya in 82. many canarsiers now live in israel as is seen in

i do however regret not having learned hebrew better. i spoke it well after my year there.I remember cinema in hebrew and i understood.but now its spanish in my head..
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Post No. 1904
05/12/2008 02:54 PM
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Exactly. The critics of Israel generally want Israel to allow itself to be attacked and even risk its destruction or else they are not happy. I heard Jimmy Carter interviewed the other day on one of the cable shows. He said no one wants peace for Israel more than him, and that he has spent his life trying to bring peace to Israel. I was rather surprised to hear him say that. Then, thankfully, the interviewer asked him a few more questions and Jimmy said that he felt that Israel had to allow the "right of return" for hundreds of thousands of Palestinians. Only then, he said, would there be peace! But, of course, anyone who really understands the situation knows that bringing hundreds of thousands of Arabs into Israel would make it a much more violent and dangerous place for Jews and would be a step in the direction of Israel's ultimate destruction. So basically Jimmy Carter is saying that if Jews in Israel want peace they have to be willing to be killed and to risk having their country destroyed. That is so cynical and manipulative that it gets me sick.

I guess after the Holocaust the anti-Semites can't call directly for the death of Jews, so they call for scenarios that would lead to the same thing and then accuse the Jews of not wanting peace if they refuse to lay down and die. If there is a hell, Jimmy Carter has a special place waiting for him. (Not that the current leadership is much better. After all, Bush was the first President to actually call for a Palestinian state, and many fear he is pressuring Israel to divide Jerusalem, which is like asking someone to slice his mother in half. And for what reason? Did the Arabs EVER have a capitol there? It's just another way to undermine Israel and try to make the Jews look bad if they don't commit national suicide.)

Post No. 1903
05/12/2008 06:41 AM
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100% is passing for jew

the point is we are expected to get 100% on the exam to pass. if we get 99 we fail. Everybody else needs 65 to pass. We must therefore swat away every X mark wheather its a real mistake or not. We cant allow any error ...Internally we can talk about it but in punlic we need to deny deny deny..because THEY hold US to an unfair standard. thus any critism of israel i think is antisemitic. it leads to israels DEATH..
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Post No. 1902
05/11/2008 11:33 AM
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Do as I say, not as I do.

Good point, and an interesting perspective. I think you are right, that Jews are very quick to defend against any negative comments about Israel because many people hold Israel to an unrealistic standard, a standard that they do not hold their own country to, or hold ANY other country to. Therefore, even if some of what they say is true, many Jews feel that they have to defend against it because it is not really true in light of the different standards being applied.

For instance, let's say two kids are having a fight in the street. If one punches the other you would normally say that that kid was wrong. But if the second kid is holding a knife, then you might excuse the first one from punching, because he has to try to disarm the other one or he will get stabbed. So, for instance, in 1967 when Egypt and Jordan were amassing armies on the borders of Israel, and the leaders of those countries were boasting about "throwing the Jews into the sea", Israel attacked first!

Now, many people to this day say that Israel was wrong in doing a "pre-emptive" attack. They say that goes against "international law", and that it sets a bad precedent, etc. But to most Jews, this argument is sick. What was the tiny country of Israel supposed to do? Wait to be attacked first and risk losing the war? Should they have respected "international law" and allowed themselves to be "thrown into the sea"?

Could you imagine the U.S., or any country, allowing its border nations to send armies to its borders, while the leaders boasted about destroying America and wiping it off the face of the earth, and just waiting like a sitting duck to be attacked? No country would give a damn about any kind of law, if it meant that it could be destroyed! So that is the double standard. Obviously then, most Jews, and many non-Jews, defend Israel's actions in 1967 as inevitable.

What I find is that many of the enemies of Israel, including Jimmy Carter, create these imaginary "peace" scenarios, where Israel essentially has to commit national suicide as the price for "peace". It's not going to happen. They know its not going to happen. So really, what they are doing is using the word "peace" as a weapon. That to me is about the lowest thing a person can do.

Post No. 1901
05/11/2008 08:55 AM
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imagine going to a party and everyone enters with guns drawn and aimed at you cause youre a jew.You dont know why but its like this.has been for centuries. Your slightest unintentional error will result in your death.they hold you to a different standard. Others can error but not you.You can insist on being held to the same just standard that they hold themselves to but they dont listen.You dont know why!has been like this for centuries
If accused of a mistake,you have to say the accuser is wrong on facts or antisemitic , biases on the facts.
Even if you are mistaken you must swat away any doubt and insist on being right because they stupidly hold you to an unfair standard but nevertheless they dont see it.
If you allow any neg criticism from a jew or non jew you are dead. the solution is ..hold israel to the SAME standard that you hold every other country to..but if the world insists on holding israel to a standard thats unfair different, a guilty till proved innocent standard, that they dont even hold themselves to,then israel is forced to defend against any and all neg criticism from anybody..jew or nonjew.

jews have zero tolerance not on negative criticism but zero tolerance on dieing due to being held to unfair standards.

Post No. 1900
05/11/2008 04:34 AM
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is criticizing israel antisemitic?

imagine going to a party and everyone enters with guns drawn and aimed at jew. You dont know why but ita like this. Your slightest mistake even unintentional will result in your death. Others can error but not you.So if youre accused of making a mistake you have to say the accuser is wrong on facts ,he wasnt looking well enough or antisemitic thus looking well but biases on the facts.
If you allow any neg criticism from a jew or non jew you are dead. the solution is ..if you want to allow criticism of israel from nonjews or even in public from jews, hold israel to the SAME standard that you hold every other country to..but if you insist on holding israel to a standard thats too high then israel must defend against any and all neg criticism from anybody..jew or nonjew.if your criticism is correct but nevertheless results in BANGBANG then your criticism must be swatted down any way it wrong on facts or antisemitic bias but swat it down anyway possible.

so jews have zero tolerance not on negative criticism but zero tolerance on dieing.
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Post No. 1899
05/10/2008 11:22 PM
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I played tonight at the Ritz Carlton at Battery Park in Manhattan. When I lived in Manhattan, Battery Park was a dump. Now it is a real estate developer's dream. There are thousands of units of housing and all kinds of park-like landscapes all along the Hudson River. The views are of the Statue of Liberty, the harbor, and the new New Jersey skyline. People are walking dogs, riding bikes, skateboarding... Lovers are kissing, kids are playing, old folks are talking... there is a whole new world going on at the bottom of the West Side. Quite amazing, especially when you consider that after 9/11 they could barely give away apartments down there!
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Post No. 1898
05/09/2008 12:12 AM
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What happened to that spirit?
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Post No. 1897
05/09/2008 12:07 AM
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Good ole Rascals

The spirit of the sixties:
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Post No. 1896
05/08/2008 03:46 PM
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Thanks for that link. So now I heard the actual lyric:

"Life would be ecstasy; you and me endlessly..."

Which I thought was:

"Life would be ecstasy; you and me and Leslie..."

Now I remember... I thought he was dreaming of the future because he said life "would" be ecstasy, if he and his girl had a child. I always thought it weird that he picked out her name in advance though. But I figured that it could be that he was a single dad, and he was dreaming of how good it would be if he married his girlfriend and the three of them could just groove around on a Sunday afternoon.

I know I am putting way too much thought into this!

By the way, that was a great link to the basketball game at Bildersee. Just change the colors and that could have been us back in the day. The people changed, but Canarsie stayed the same!

Post No. 1895
05/08/2008 04:48 AM
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Post No. 1894
05/08/2008 04:47 AM
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cut to the chase already

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Post No. 1893
05/06/2008 01:40 PM
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Family Music

Yep, I thought it was a song about a guy who was married, and he and his wife would be groovin' with their daughter Leslie on a Sunday afternoon. I pictured them pushing a baby carriage in a park, walking slowly, listening to people playing music, maybe stopping to get a hotdog or a knish... sitting in a grassy nook, like the Sheep Meadow in Central Park... maybe playing a little frisbee... just groovin', playing with Leslie, petting a dog or two... hanging around reading a book or just staring at the clouds...

But NO, there was no Leslie! It was just the guy and some unknown non-descript entity. Just the two of them groovin'. What about Leslie? What about the idea of having a family and spending quality time on the weekend? NOOOO! Just self indulgent contemplation of one's navel. That's it! Hmmmphf!

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Post No. 1892
05/06/2008 08:52 AM
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And Leslie

How about "Groovin' on a Sunday Afternoon"? Usually on a Sunday afternoon I'm driving out to Long Island or Manhattan to play a gig.

It had a lyric that went, "You and me endlessly, groovin' on a Sunday afternoon." But he pronounced endlessly emphasizing the second syllable, so I always thought he was saying, "You and me and Leslie". I figured Leslie must have been their daughter.

Post No. 1891
05/06/2008 03:00 AM
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Post No. 1890
05/06/2008 02:36 AM
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under the board walk was another
today youd be killed by a dealer or mistaken for a whore

the drive in movie?
another one

youd be seen as 2 terrorists having a meeting
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Post No. 1889
05/05/2008 07:01 PM
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Pink Annoyed (rhymes with Floyd)

Isn't annoying and annoying word? Just listen to the sound of it! Annoooyyying. It's one of the few English words that contain the oi sound, as in oi,yoy, yoy... or for those in a rush: oi!

Well now that I really look at these lyrics I find them annoying.

"You dreamed of a big star, he played a mean guitar,
He always ate in the steak bar. he loved to drive in his jaguar."

Okay, I guess steak bar and jaguar rhyme with star, but aside from that these lyrics are pretty pathetic. Who dreams of being a big star and eating in a steak bar. I mean is that such a big thing? And even driving a Jaguar... is that what a young aspiring musician thinks about?

I thought this song was about a 1984 scenario, as if we are all controlled by a world government with constant surveillance, which it seems like we may be moving towards, that the song calls "the machine". But I guess it was really about the music industry.

Kind of a let down, no?
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Post No. 1888
05/05/2008 01:26 PM
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Gray Floyd

Welcome my son, welcome to the machine.
Where have you been? its alright we know where youve been.
Youve been in the pipeline, filling in time, provided with toys and
scouting for boys.
You bought a guitar to punish your ma,
And you didnt like school, and you know youre nobodys fool,
So welcome to the machine.

Welcome my son, welcome to the machine.
What did you dream? its alright we told you what to dream.
You dreamed of a big star, he played a mean guitar,
He always ate in the steak bar. he loved to drive in his jaguar.
So welcome to the machine.
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Post No. 1887
05/05/2008 07:52 AM
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Sittin' in the Starbucks on the Bay

Just doesn't have the same ring to it. It's funny but back when that song was cut, in the '60's, for all the oppression people used to scream about, at least you could sit on the dock of the bay and waste some time without some cop comming over to tell you to move on to the Starbucks. Actually today you would probably be on a security camera the whole time!

Perhaps a more appropriate song for today is "Welcome to the Machine" by Pink Floyd. My favorite line is, "Where have you been? Don't worry, we know where you've been."

Post No. 1886
05/05/2008 07:05 AM
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dock of what bay?

today just walking onto the dock costs 3 bucks and if you just sit there a cop will stop you and ask you what youre doing there.If you say wasting Time he will take you in as a terror suspect.

sittin on the dock of the bay is dangerous.Better to sit in the starbucks of the bay.
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Post No. 1885
05/04/2008 01:32 PM
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Sittin' on the Dock of the Bay

Just heard that song. This is one song that seems to last forever... and as long as you haven't heard it in a while, it is always welcome. Kinda like an old friend...

Now, many musicians do not have much to say about politics. In fact, many musicians are just into music and not much else. And then you have musicians who are very politically aware but keep away from it for various reasons. I suppose in many cases it could only hurt ones career to be too vocal about any particular political point of view. In my case, one of the main reasons I wanted to become a musician was to create a platform from where I could share my ideas and express my point of view.

Maybe that's why I like the guestbook. Although it's been a little boring lately. Sometimes I feel like I'm a justa sittin' on the dock of the bay, wasting time

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Post No. 1884
05/02/2008 07:35 PM
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TJ, you must be talking about this dude:

Believe it or not, we were in a band together for a while managed by the manager of Poppa John Creach of Jefferson Starship fame. He was always very good with a crowd and so he started playing in the subway. I tried to play on the street a few times and it just didn't work out for me. Not that I minded all that much.

The funny thing is my mother in law used to complain to my wife about me saying, "What is he going to do for a living play ukulele in the subway?" So, once I was married there was no way I was going to play in the subway even if they paid me a salary.

My ideal venue is an outdoor summer music festival.

Post No. 1883
05/02/2008 09:32 AM
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The audio link of the story linked below mentions someone who plays blues-cello busking in the NYC subway.

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