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Christian vs. Jew

97Wildfire - Jesus wasn't anti Moses or anti Jew, he was anti hypocrite.
MT 23:2 saying: "The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat.
MT 23:3  "Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do, but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do.

Matthew 23 pretty much sums up what was wrong with that a lot of the leadership of that time. Jesus was a Jew, was he not? He believed the inward man should match the outward man (Deut 10:16) (Hebrews 4:12-13)(Ezekiel 36:26)

voncello - The Pharisees were the leading most populous sect of Jews and the only one to survive. They are the forefathers of today's Jews. Jews do not believe the claims of Matthew that the Jews or their leadership were lacking in works. To the contrary, if you read their writings (i.e. Talmud) you see the high level of morality they possessed, a morality higher than that of Jesus and his followers. We don't even know who wrote the NT and there is no reason to believe its accounts of the Jews back then.

97Wildfire - Well of course the Pharisees thought they were righteous (Proverbs 16:2). My question then, I mean this sincerely, if the Jews of that period were pleasing God why did God allow the sacking of Jerusalem and the destruction of the temple? (Deut 28) Clearly something was a miss or they would have been under the blessings not the cursing.

Don't take this the wrong way, I have nothing against Jews and I love the OT, I just whole heatedly believe Jesus is the Christ and I'm not ashamed of him :)

voncello - Same chap. of Proverbs says: Better to be lowly in spirit and among the oppressed than to share plunder with the proud. One could say the Christians are the proud, those who think they understand the Jewish Bible better than the Jews themselves. Those who buy the NT story that a renegade Jew was superior to the accepted priests and rabbis of the Chosen People. The sacking of Jerusalem was prophesied by Moses. The Jews knew their lot would be tough but they were chosen for their stiff-neckedness.

97Wildfire - I'm not proud at all. I know I'm a sinner and if I have any understanding at all it comes from God and not of myself. In any event it is better to be a humble sinner than a self righteous sinner (Consider Luke 18:9-17, Luke 15, or Isaiah 53:6). But I have read the OT so why would I blindly trust every Jewish rabbi? Didn't the false Jewish prophets beat up Jeremiah and throw him in prison? What did Joseph's brothers do to him on account of Jealousy? Saul and David? (1 Samuel 18:11-12)

voncello - Isaiah 53:6 "We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all." Jews interpret the sheep as the nations each turning to his own way, some to follow Mohammed, some Jesus. And their iniquity is laid on the Jews by their anti-Semitism. But "though the LORD makes his life a guilt offering, he (Israel) will see his offspring and prolong his days." Israel will survive forever, the literal human offspring of the Patriarchs. 34

voncello - I never said you should "blindly trust every Jewish rabbi". But why do you blindly trust every Christian Apostle? You can't even prove they wrote the NT. So you're blindly trusting a book that could have been written by the Romans for all we know. The Proverb says it's better to be among the oppressed than the proud. The Jews were oppressed by the proud Church for centuries. Christians plundered the Jewish heritage & called it their own and continue to oppress the Jews with threats of hell.

voncello - 97Wildfire "Didn't the false Jewish prophets beat up Jeremiah and throw him in prison? What did Joseph's brothers do to him on account of Jealousy? Saul and David?" Let me ask you this: how do you know the Jews are telling the truth in these stories? If you don't trust the rabbis who wrote the Talmud, why trust that these SAME rabbis passed down the Bible truthfully?

The fact that Jews are so honest about their short-comings adds to their credibility, but the proud use this against them.
  Author: Von Cello
Eintrag from 19.03.2010
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