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Conversation with an ex-Deacon
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Berserker07 (1 month ago) 0 Reply | Spam
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Being an ex-deacon I have to say this. It was the most fun I've ever had, like being a dungeon master for over a million people. Go figure why It turned out I love D&D.
CRUCIFIXIOUS (3 weeks ago) 0 Reply | Spam
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LOL! Thats one of the funniest things i have read in a while
voncello (2 days ago) Reply | Remove
Funny maybe, but I have no idea what he meant.
Berserker07 (2 days ago) 0 Reply | Spam
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HE who?

He Geroge Carlin or He me?
voncello (2 days ago) Reply | Remove
He you!
Berserker07 (2 days ago) 0 Reply | Spam
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Alright calm your nips.

Well its very simple. In DnD as a dungeon master your job is to make up a scenario to draw your fellow players in. To give them challenges, a nice story line, but not to make it to difficult and remember everyone is there to have a good time.

Basically thats the same trash I had to do as a Deacon. Run around make shit up, "oh and so jesus did walk through the valley of shadow where he..." *rolls +3 holy* "vanquished the demon legion". Fun bullshit.
voncello (2 days ago) Reply | Remove
You see, not being a Catholic or a Christian, I didn't know what you were talking about. I thought you meant that watching my video was "like being a dungeon master for over a million people", and then when Crucifixious said that was "one of the funniest things" he's heard I thought he thought your description of my video was funny, but I still didn't understand why it was funny ... and ...

Never mind!
Berserker07 (2 days ago) 0 Reply | Spam
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Dude it doesn't matter if your christian or hindu or pastafarian. It's all garbage. Stories made up to explain the world when man was too young to know how it really worked. Where Thor was needed to rage war in the skies to explain lightning and Gaia was needed to explain the origin of the earth we walk on. Even if you complexity it to make it 1 or hundreds of gods, its all still bullshit made up in ignorance.

Carlin might have been making shots at Christianity in general but they're all trash
voncello (2 days ago) Reply | Remove
Spoken like an ex-Christian!

I discuss my ideas about this in more detail in my video, "Atheists are Closet Christians". But basically what I point out is that when Christians reject their religion they keep the same kind of Christian attitude that they know "the truth". They used to think they knew the truth when they were Christians. Now that they reject that they know the truth that every other religion is BS. It's the same mentality in different clothes, with a hint of sour grapes.
Berserker07 (2 days ago) 0 Reply | Spam
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Very cute but frankly i'm going to save my time.

The difference between an atheist and any theist is proof. Were not making a claim, were stating what we have factual evidence of and that is that there is none of god. ANY theist want to step forward and give us evidence then we lose our argument in a heartbeat but in all the time of man that has never happened.

It doesn't matter if someone was born into a religion and fell out or if they simply weren't taught any, there is one argument.
voncello (1 day ago) Reply | Remove
I used to think like you. I "believed" there was no evidence of God. Then I met Orthodox Jews for the first time in life and they challenged me to look into the information they claimed was hidden in the Torah, Talmud, and other Jewish writings. I was skeptical but put in many years of study. I eventually put my findings in my book Beyond Faith. I think they make a compelling case but I find that many "evidence seeking" secularists are unwilling to even look! They accept their beliefs on faith.
Berserker07 (1 day ago) 0 Reply | Spam
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I have no problem looking, but i'm not going to bend the rules. You want me to believe there's a god prove it and not with something that "touches me". Matt Dillahunty has a spoon and he has dared every faith to pray for their god to turn it into a fork. If that happened I would consider it proof, if a giant monolith rained from the sky I would consider it proof. If Emma Watson knocked on my door and sucked me off I would consider it proof. Prove it, dont give me your "I was like you", prove it.
voncello (1 day ago) Reply | Remove
You said, "You want me to believe there's a god prove it". Did I say I want you be believe anything? This idea of wanting people to "believe" is a Christian mentality. Also the tests you want, a giant monolith, a spoon turning into a fork ... it reminds me of the silly proofs in the New Testament of Jesus walking on water and turning water into wine. These are childish ideas. If you want "proof' then, as you would in science or any other field, spend the time it takes to study and learn.
Berserker07 (1 day ago) 0 Reply | Spam
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No no, that's ok. I'm going to save myself the time. Every faith on the planet has some form of foolish "science" team that is constantly releasing bullshit that real scientist destroy in peer review.

No your right, you haven't said it directly. But you haven't really said anything other than "Judaism is right and Christians are egotistical".

So if "Judaism" is right, prove it. Prove it scientifically, give me physical evidence. That can be analyzed. Otherwise stop wasting my time.
voncello (1 day ago) Reply | Remove
You are the one who came to my page so if anyone is wasting anyone's time it is you wasting mine. If you want the hear from scientists, read the books or Gerald Schroeder. He's a nuclear physicist with 2 doctorates, and an MIT professor. Are those enough scientific credentials? He is Orthodox and shows in his books how the Torah contains amazing scientific insights that science has only come to today. If you don't read it you'll remain in your proud state of ignorance and scoffing.
Berserker07 (1 day ago) 0 Reply | Spam
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yea... and how many christian and muslim scientist are standing with greater credentials. The head of the human genome project is a catholic and has stood stalwart in the face of peer review. And besides beyond all that the point remains the same, I don't want his word I want it shown to ME. He cant twist the world all he wants to his logic but if he twists something its not the same anymore is it?

I came to your channel because it said "George Carlin", get over yourself.
voncello (1 day ago) Reply | Remove
You are like a child saying. "My scientist is better than your scientist". The point is, IF, and this is a big IF, you want to educate yourself to NEW ideas that you are unfamiliar with, I have pointed to a few ways to go. On the other hand, IF you want to remain with what you already know and refuse to look into new ideas, then feel free to remain where you are. But please cut the nastiness or I will ban you from the page, NOT for your ideas, or lack thereof, but for you nasty tone. Good night.
Berserker07 (2 days ago) 0 Reply | Spam
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But your short sightedness in saying this is a "ex-christian" view proves the limitations of your own though process and hypocrisy. Do you really think Jews dont think themselves in the right? If they didn't then why worship at all?

You bare the same tendencies of your Jewish past that you claim of us. The difference is all we want is one argument quelled. After that we have no arguments and once it is answered there can no longer be a real atheist.

Prove god and you win.
voncello (1 day ago) Reply | Remove
It's not a question about whether or not one thinks he's right. It's a question of how much evidence you have and of what quality. I single out Christians because in our society they are the largest and most dominant group. When they are believers they think only they know the truth, yet when they leave the faith they don't leave behind the egotistical notion that they know the truth. They just replace their old truth with the new Atheist truth, but they refuse to even look at what Judaism says.
Berserker07 (1 day ago) 0 Reply | Spam
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And what does it say? Does Yahweh appear in the church every Saturday? Does Yahweh instantaneously spawn food for the less fortunate? Does he burn a star of David in the sky?

I reiterate, your just as blind as you claim ex-christians that you know the truth and they dont. You've given me no proof just, "they wont give it a chance". Yes we do, we ALL do, and i've given it prior. PROVE IT.
voncello (1 day ago) Reply | Remove
Where did you get Yahweh? Jews never use this word yet Christians seem to think they do. Again, you are looking for silly signs. If God did burn a star of David in the sky you'd only look for something else. I'm not asking you to expect miracles, just sit down with some books and maybe take a few classes. I recommend my book. It took me 20 years to write! I put a lot of information in its 554 pages. But if you don't want to that's fine, but then don't tell me: prove it! The proof is in my book!
Berserker07 (1 day ago) 0 Reply | Spam
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Yea and once again I'm going to save time and my money NOT buying your book. If you claim there is a mystical being then your going to need proof that equal it. Hence a miracle.

I really don't give a shit what you call it. Your book is no more proof of god than the bible or Torah. Its a bunch of paper written by man. extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Your book isn't proof its a scam.

So thanks for reiterating my main point. It's all just being a dungeon master for the world
voncello (1 day ago) Reply | Remove
You just proved my point too. You have maintained your Christian mentality though you've rejected Christianity. You don't want to read anything! God forbid you might learn something that could upset your need to have faith in whatever it is you believe. When you were a Christian you were brainwashed to NOT look into Judaism. Now you still refuse to look into Judaism. You prefer to believe on faith in your new answer.
Berserker07 (1 day ago) 0 Reply | Spam
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BECAUSE ITS STILL NOT PROOF. A MANS WORD CANNOT BE TRUSTED WHEN CLAIMING THERE IS A INFINITE BEING MONITORING THE UNIVERSE. Someone who will take someones word for such a grand claim is a fool. I dont care what your book says or the muslims say or the Christians say or ANYONE says. If there is a "God" then he has to prove himself to ME or its not sufficient. HELL I've even stretched that and said he can use a trusted famed atheist. Your wasting my time sir, nut up or shut up.
voncello (1 day ago) Reply | Remove
You are right, I am wasting my time. I am going to ban you from this page. You have shown that that you are not interested in learning anything new. You haven't advanced past your deacon days. You still want to live in a cocoon of faith that your ideas are only right ones, and you still refuse, quite adamantly to expand your sources of information. So you are banned. I hope one day you will free your mind from your self imposed dungeons. But then again, as you've indicated, you like dungeons.
voncello (1 day ago) Reply | Remove
You also said, " Your just as blind as you claim ex-christians that you know the truth and they dont." Again, did I say I know the truth? This is what I mean. Forget about "the truth". Just educate yourself to new ideas. Why must so many ex-Christians continue to feel this need to have "the truth"? Maybe there is no such thing. Did you ever think of that? Isn't it wiser and more rational to just continually investigate new ideas and sources of information rather than put "truth" blinders on?
Berserker07 (1 day ago) 0 Reply | Spam
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If its not the truth then why believe it? Do you not actually believe what you claim? An idea is worthless if its boundless.

This is all proving to be a waste of my time. You have no proof, you have an "idea". Well congrats, we all have ideas. Its a bonus of being sentient.

Your logic is lazy, egotistical, blind, and frankly just poor in general. You don't have proof. You claim you dont have the "truth", BUT I should believe what your saying, and if I dont then IM being blind.
voncello (1 day ago) Reply | Remove
What did I claim? I merely suggested you be open to looking into the ideas of a group of people that have been rather influential in the world these past 3500 yrs. You are all caught up in belief, truth, proof. You also have a nasty angry tone that I'm tiring of. I think we've gone about as far as we can. You don't want to learn anything new. You don't want to read or study. You just want to snap out nasty comments. I find your attitude to be contrary to increasing understanding and peace.
Berserker07 (1 day ago) 0 Reply | Spam
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I would LOVE to learn something new, unfortunately you like other thiest are spouting out the same shit and claiming its diffrent because your to blind to look at the guy next to you and say "hey, he's using the same arguments, maybe I should change mine". Your a tool, you have plent of excuses "this guy believes it", "these people were influential", but none of thats proof. They're excuses, they dont prove a god, they're side facts that dont influence the topic at hand.
voncello (1 day ago) Reply | Remove
You are full of faith based beliefs, aren't you? Where did I say I was a theist? Your parameters of thinking are so bound up in Christianity. I try to point this out, not only to you, but to the many people in the majority culture. If you were open to new sources of information you might be able to move into whole new ways of thinking. But instead you want to stay in the same place and hold onto the anger you have with the Church, but you want to take it out on all religions.
Berserker07 (1 day ago) 0 Reply | Spam
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If your getting the feeling that i'm angry then your right. Because i'm tired of you wasting my time. All you do is say something then retreat, say something and then retreat. "well I didn't claim something, I just suggested". Your just another theist tool. Live in your egotism all you want, pretend that everyone christian, atheist, muslim are all just being blind. Despite the fact that we have 1 argument resting on our faction that you just cant answer. Thanks for wasting my time.
voncello (1 day ago) Reply | Remove
I never said I was a theist. I am neither a theist or an atheist. I am a thinking person who remains open to many possibilities. If you are angry then see a shrink. It's really not helpful to spout your anger at strangers. You are trying to set me up as some type of father figure or something. I become the surrogate for all you hated in your church. You don't know me from Adam! So chill out dude. All I'm saying is be open to new ideas ... or don't. Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.
BBNick76 (1 day ago) 0 Reply | Spam
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Err... Didn't you just ban him?

Doesn't really say much that you'll continue the argument with yourself, does it?
voncello (21 hours ago) Reply | Remove
I banned him but he had made other posts before that so I responded to those. If you look through my videos I've had really long conversations with people. I almost never ban anyone, but when I do it's not because of their ideas but only if they are insulting and angry. I enjoy hearing all kinds of different ideas but I don't see the point in letting people vent their anger on me. Actually I found it quite funny that he was demanding proof that God exists in 500 letter posts on You Tube!
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voncello (56 seconds ago) Reply | Remove
Imagine some other subject like ... the existence of quarks, you know, those sub atomic particles. Imagine someone demanding that you prove the existence of quarks in 500 letters! How about proving evolution, relativity, thermodynamics, whatever, in 500 letters! How absurd to insist on that. Yet this guy says about God, "Prove it!" right now, right here, in 6 sentences! Asking for a miracle is foolish because miracles don't prove anything. Proof is about amassing evidence and that takes time!

 
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